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Based on Our Test Drives, Hyundai’s and Kia’s Revised Mileage Numbers Still Seem High

我々のテストドライブ結果によれば、HyundaiとKiaの

今回訂正された燃費ですら、まだ良すぎるようだ

http://cgdailydrive.com/based-on-our-test-drives-hyundais-and-kias-revised-mileage-numbers-still-seem-high/

In the wake of the Hyundai/Kia mileage brouhaha…in which the South Korean automakers stated that “procedural errors” had led to inflated fuel-economy numbers for more than 70 of their 2011-13 models…we decided to examine the mileage that we got on our 2011-13 test vehicles. We found that Hyundai and Kia were correct: Their original numbers were much higher than what we averaged on the highways and city streets in and around Chicago.
Hyundai/Kiaが言うところの「手続き上のエラー」によって2011~13年モデルの70以上の車型で燃費水増しが発生したという燃費騒動のさなかにおいて、我々は以前にテストした2011~13年のテスト車両の燃費を検証してみることにした。結果、HyundaiとKiaが認めた水増しの事実を確認した。彼らが公表した元のEPA値は、我々がシカゴ周辺のハイウェイ/市街走行で測定した総合燃費よりも相当高いものだったのだ。

Even more notable is that Hyundai’s and Kia’s revised EPA numbers still seem too high. Of the 74 2011-13 models for which they revised their fuel-economy estimates, we (Consumer Guide Automotive editors) have test driven 17 of them over a minimum of 200 miles each. For 15 of the 17, our mileage was lower than their revised estimates. (Our fuel-economy numbers are based on the amount of fuel we purchase and the number of miles we drive.)
何よりも注目すべき点としては、HyundaiとKiaが今回訂正したEPA値ですらも、まだ良すぎる値のようなのだ。今回彼らが燃費を訂正した2011~13年の74の車型のうち、我々(Consumer Guide Automotive編集者)は17の車型をそれぞれ最低でも200マイル以上走行テストした。その17車型のうち、15車型において、我々の測定した燃費は、今回訂正された値よりもさらに低いものだった。我々は、購入した燃料の総量と走行したマイルから燃費を算定している。)

Skeptics will say that real-world mileage doesn’t always match the automakers’ sticker numbers. However, we looked at 50 2011-13 vehicles from Chevrolet, Ford, Honda, Nissan, and Toyota that we test drove. For 24 of those 50, our fuel-economy numbers were better than the EPA numbers (i.e., the numbers that the automakers report to the EPA).
疑い深い人は、実世界の燃費は常に自動車会社が公表するステッカーの値よりも低いものだ、というかもしれない。しかし、我々は、(Hyundai/Kiaだけでなく)2011~13年のシボレー、フォード、ホンダ、日産、トヨタから計50の車型を検証している。その50車型のうち、24車型で、我々の測定した燃費がEPA値(つまり自動車会社がEPAに報告した値)を上回ったのだ。

 

Breaking it down:
詳細分析

Of the 17 2011-13 Hyundai/Kia cars and SUVs that we test drove, we exceeded the revised EPA combined number on 2 of the vehicles (12%). The average difference between our real-world number and the EPA number was -2.62 mpg, meaning that our 17 real-world numbers were, on average, 2.62 mpg worse than the revised EPA numbers. Incidentally, our mileage was, on average, 4.27 mpg worse than Hyundai/Kia’s original EPA numbers.
我々がテストした2011~13年モデルのHyundai/Kia 17車型のうち、今回訂正された後のEPA値よりも良い燃費を出したのは 2車型のみ(12%)だった。我々が測定した実燃費と、今回訂正後のEPA値との差の平均は、-2.62 mpgだった。つまり、17車型の実際の燃費は、平均して、訂正されたEPA値よりも 2.62 mpg悪いものだった。ちなみに我々が測定したこの燃費は、Hyundai/Kiaが公表していたオリジナルのEPA値よりも、平均して、4.27 mpg悪いものである。

For 14 2011-13 Chevrolet cars and SUVS that we test drove, we exceeded the EPA numbers on 6 (43%). The average difference between our real-world number and the EPA number was -1.13 mpg, meaning that our 14 real-world numbers were, on average, 1.13 mpg worse than Chevrolet’s posted EPA numbers.
我々がテストした2011~13年モデルのシボレー 14車型のうち、6車型(43%)においてEPA値よりも良い燃費を示した。我々が測定した実燃費とEPA値の差の平均は -1.13 mpgだった。つまり、14車型の実際の燃費は、平均してシボレーが公表しているEPA値よりも 1.13 mpg悪いものだった。

For Ford, we exceeded on 7 of 11 (64%). On average, we did 0.23 mpg better than the EPA estimates.
フォードでは11車型のうち7車型(64%)がEPA値を上回った。 平均して EPA値よりも 0.23 mpg 上回った。

For Honda, we exceeded on 3 of 7 (43%). On average, we did 0.11 mpg better than the EPA estimates.
ホンダでは7車型のうち3車型(43%)がEPA値を上回った。 平均して EPA値よりも 0.11 mpg 上回った。

For Nissan, we exceeded on 4 of 8 (50%). On average, we did 0.33 mpg worse than the EPA estimates.
日産では8車型のうち4車型(50%)がEPA値を上回った。 平均して EPA値よりも 0.33 mpg 下回った。

For Toyota, we exceeded on 4 of 10 (40%). On average, we did 0.40 mpg worse than the EPA estimates.
トヨタでは10車型のうち4車型(40%)がEPA値を上回った。 平均して EPA値よりも 0.40 mpg 下回った。

For more details on the Hyundai/Kia mileage numbers, refer to the data below. Data for the Chevrolet, Ford, Honda, Nissan, and Toyota numbers are available upon request.
Hyundai/Kia燃費のより詳細な値は、下のデータを参照されたい。シボレー、フォード、ホンダ、日産、トヨタについてはリクエストがあれば掲示します。


 

Real-World Mileage for Hyundai/Kia
Hyundai/Kia の実燃費

Of the 74 2011-13 models for which Hyundai/Kia revised fuel-economy numbers, we have test driven 17 of them. Below is a comparison between their original numbers, their revised numbers, and our real-world numbers.
今回燃費が訂正されたHyundai/Kia 2011~13年モデル 74車型のうち、我々は17車型をテストした。
下記は、Hyundai/Kiaが公表していた元のEPA値、今回訂正されたEPA値、そして我々が測定した実燃費の比較である。


2011 Hyundai Elantra 1.8L Automatic 
Hyundai’s Original MPG: 33   45% highway, 55% city (EPA standard)
Hyundai’s Revised MPG: 32   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 31.43   65% highway, 35% city (686 miles)

2011 Hyundai Elantra 1.8L Manual        
Hyundai’s Original MPG: 33   45% highway, 55% city         
Hyundai’s Revised MPG: 32   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 32.18   50% highway, 50% city (273 miles)

2011 Kia Optima Hybrid 2.4L Automatic 2WD
Kia’s Original MPG: 37   45% highway, 55% city
Kia’s Revised MPG: 36   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 35.86   75% highway, 75% city (956 miles)

2012 Hyundai Accent 1.6L Automatic    
Hyundai’s Original MPG: 33   45% highway, 55% city         
Hyundai’s Revised MPG: 31   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 29.04   45% highway, 55% city (8,751 miles)

2012 Hyundai Azera 3.3L Automatic    
Hyundai’s Original MPG: 23   45% highway, 55% city
Hyundai’s Revised MPG: 23   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 18.61   35% highway, 65% city (410 miles)

2012 Hyundai Veloster 1.6L Manual        
Hyundai’s Original MPG: 32   45% highway, 55% city
Hyundai’s Revised MPG: 31   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 27.66   45% highway, 55% city (532 miles)

2012 Kia Rio 1.6L Automatic 2WD 
Kia’s Original MPG: 33   45% highway, 55% city
Kia’s Revised MPG: 31   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 28.62 (hatchback)   70% highway, 30% city (610 miles)
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 25.72 (sedan)   40% highway, 60% city (498 miles)

2012 Kia Sorento 2.4L Automatic 4WD 
Kia’s Original MPG: 23   45% highway, 55% city
Kia’s Revised MPG: 22   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 20.56   50% highway, 50% city (368 miles)

2012 Kia Soul 1.6L Automatic 2WD 
Kia’s Original MPG: 30   45% highway, 55% city
Kia’s Revised MPG: 27   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 24.84   55% highway, 45% city (526 miles)

2012 Kia Soul 2.0L Automatic 2WD 
Kia’s Original MPG: 29   45% highway, 55% city
Kia’s Revised MPG: 25   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 26.39   80% highway, 20% city (295 miles)

2013 Hyundai Elantra Coupe 1.8L Automatic    
Hyundai’s Original MPG: 32   45% highway, 55% city
Hyundai’s Revised MPG: 31   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 25.59   40% highway, 60% city (550 miles)

2013 Hyundai Elantra GT 1.8L Automatic    
Hyundai’s Original MPG: 32   45% highway, 55% city         
Hyundai’s Revised MPG: 30   45% highway, 55% city        
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 22.20   10% highway, 90% city (264 miles)

2013 Kia Rio 1.6L Manual 2WD 
Kia’s Original MPG: 34   45% highway, 55% city
Kia’s Revised MPG: 32   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 31.62   70% highway, 30% city (796 miles)

2013 Santa Fe Sport 2WD 2.0L T Automatic    
Hyundai’s Original MPG: 25   45% highway, 55% city
Hyundai’s Revised MPG: 23   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 22.21   70% highway, 30% city (866 miles)

2013 Hyundai Veloster 1.6L T Automatic    
Hyundai’s Original MPG: 29   45% highway, 55% city
Hyundai’s Revised MPG: 28   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 21.20   30% highway, 70% city (336 miles)

2013 Hyundai Veloster 1.6L T Manual        
Hyundai’s Original MPG: 30   45% highway, 55% city         
Hyundai’s Revised MPG: 28   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 24.77   40% highway, 60% city (383 miles)

 

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今回のEPAの措置は、まだまだ手ぬるいようです。

 

【簡単なまとめ】

Consumer Guideが実際に測定した値と、EPA公表値との差

Hyundai/Kia (訂正前) - 4.27 mpg

Hyundai/Kia (訂正後) - 2.62 mpg

Chevrolet - 1.13 mpg

FORD      + 0.23 mpg

HONDA   + 0.11 mpg

NISSAN   - 0.33 mpg

TOYOTA  - 0.40 mpg

 

 

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사실은 더 나쁜 Hyundai/Kia의 연비

Based on Our Test Drives, Hyundai’s and Kia’s Revised Mileage Numbers Still Seem High

우리의 테스트 드라이브 결과에 의하면, Hyundai와 Kia의

이번 정정된 연비로조차, 아직 너무 좋은 것 같다

http://cgdailydrive.com/based-on-our-test-drives-hyundais-and-kias-revised-mileage-numbers-still-seem-high/

In the wake of the Hyundai/Kia mileage brouhaha...in which the South Korean automakers stated that “procedural errors” had led to inflated fuel-economy numbers for more than 70 of their 2011-13 models...we decided to examine the mileage that we got on our 2011-13 test vehicles. We found that Hyundai and Kia were correct: Their original numbers were much higher than what we averaged on the highways and city streets in and around Chicago.
Hyundai/Kia가 말하는 곳(중)의 「수속상의 에러」에 의해서2011~13해모델의 70이상의 차형으로 연비 증가가 발생했다고 하는 연비 소동의 한창에 있고, 우리는 이전에 테스트한2011~13해의 테스트 차량의 연비를 검증해 보기로 했다.결과, Hyundai와 Kia가 인정한 증가의 사실을 확인했다.그들이 공표한 원의 EPA치는, 우리가 시카고 주변의 하이웨이/시가 주행으로 측정한 종합 연비보다 상당히 높은 것이었던 것이다.

Even more notable is that Hyundai’s and Kia’s revised EPA numbers still seem too high. Of the 74 2011-13 models for which they revised their fuel-economy estimates, we (Consumer Guide Automotive editors) have test driven 17 of them over a minimum of 200 miles each. For 15 of the 17, our mileage was lower than their revised estimates. (Our fuel-economy numbers are based on the amount of fuel we purchase and the number of miles we drive.)
무엇보다도 주목해야 할 점으로서는, Hyundai와 Kia가 이번 정정한 EPA치로조차도, 아직 너무 좋은 값과 같은의다.이번 그들이 연비를 정정한2011~13해의 74의 차형 가운데, 우리(Consumer Guide Automotive 편집자)는 17의 차형을 각각 최악이어도 200마일 이상 주행 테스트했다.그17차형 가운데, 15차형에 대하고, 우리의 측정한 연비는, 이번 정정된 값보다 한층 더 낮은 것이었다.(우리는, 구입한 연료의 총량과 주행한 마일로부터 연비를 산정하고 있다.)

Skeptics will say that real-world mileage doesn’t always match the automakers’ sticker numbers. However, we looked at 50 2011-13 vehicles from Chevrolet, Ford, Honda, Nissan, and Toyota that we test drove. For 24 of those 50, our fuel-economy numbers were better than the EPA numbers (i.e., the numbers that the automakers report to the EPA).
의심이 많은 사람은, 실세계의 연비는 항상 자동차 회사가 공표하는 스티커의 값보다 낮은 것이다, 라고 할지도 모른다.그러나, 우리는, (Hyundai/Kia 뿐만이 아니라)2011~13해의 시보레, 포드, 혼다, 닛산, 토요타로부터 합계 50의 차형을 검증하고 있다.그 50차형 가운데, 24차형으로, 우리의 측정한 연비가 EPA치(즉 자동차 회사가 EPA에 보고한 값)를 웃돌았던 것이다.

 

Breaking it down:
상세 분석

Of the 17 2011-13 Hyundai/Kia cars and SUVs that we test drove, we exceeded the revised EPA combined number on 2 of the vehicles (12%). The average difference between our real-world number and the EPA number was -2.62 mpg, meaning that our 17 real-world numbers were, on average, 2.62 mpg worse than the revised EPA numbers. Incidentally, our mileage was, on average, 4.27 mpg worse than Hyundai/Kia’s original EPA numbers.
우리가 테스트한2011~13해모델의 Hyundai/Kia 17차형 가운데,이번 정정된 후의 EPA치보다 좋은 연비를 낸 것은 2차형만(12%)이었다.우리가 측정한 실연비와 이번 정정 후의 EPA치와의 차이의 평균은,-2.62 mpg였다.즉,17차형의 실제의 연비는, 평균하고, 정정된 EPA치보다 2.62 mpg 나쁜 것이었다.덧붙여서 우리가 측정한 이 연비는,Hyundai/Kia가 공표하고 있던 오리지날의 EPA치보다, 평균하고, 4.27 mpg 나쁜 것이다.

For 14 2011-13 Chevrolet cars and SUVS that we test drove, we exceeded the EPA numbers on 6 (43%). The average difference between our real-world number and the EPA number was -1.13 mpg, meaning that our 14 real-world numbers were, on average, 1.13 mpg worse than Chevrolet’s posted EPA numbers.
우리가 테스트한2011~13해모델의시보레 14차형 가운데, 6차형(43%)에 대해 EPA치보다 좋은 연비를 나타냈다.우리가 측정한 실연비와 EPA치의 차이의 평균은 -1.13 mpg였다.즉, 14차형의 실제의 연비는, 평균해 시보레가 공표하고 있는 EPA치보다 1.13 mpg 나쁜 것이었다.

For Ford, we exceeded on 7 of 11 (64%). On average, we did 0.23 mpg better than the EPA estimates.
포드에서는 11차형중 7차형(64%)이 EPA치를 웃돌았다. 평균해 EPA치보다 0.23 mpg 웃돌았다.

For Honda, we exceeded on 3 of 7 (43%). On average, we did 0.11 mpg better than the EPA estimates.
혼다에서는 7차형중 3차형(43%)이 EPA치를 웃돌았다. 평균해 EPA치보다 0.11 mpg 웃돌았다.

For Nissan, we exceeded on 4 of 8 (50%). On average, we did 0.33 mpg worse than the EPA estimates.
닛산에서는 8차형중 4차형(50%)이 EPA치를 웃돌았다. 평균해 EPA치보다 0.33 mpg 밑돌았다.

For Toyota, we exceeded on 4 of 10 (40%). On average, we did 0.40 mpg worse than the EPA estimates.
토요타에서는 10차형중 4차형(40%)이 EPA치를 웃돌았다. 평균해 EPA치보다 0.40 mpg 밑돌았다.

For more details on the Hyundai/Kia mileage numbers, refer to the data below. Data for the Chevrolet, Ford, Honda, Nissan, and Toyota numbers are available upon request.
Hyundai/Kia 연비의 것보다 상세한 값은, 아래의 데이터가 참조되고 싶다.시보레, 포드, 혼다, 닛산, 토요타에 대해서는 리퀘스트가 있으면 게시합니다.


 

Real-World Mileage for Hyundai/Kia
Hyundai/Kia 의 실연비

Of the 74 2011-13 models for which Hyundai/Kia revised fuel-economy numbers, we have test driven 17 of them. Below is a comparison between their original numbers, their revised numbers, and our real-world numbers.
이번 연비가 정정된 Hyundai/Kia 2011~13년 모델 74차형 가운데, 우리는 17차형을 테스트했다.
아래와 같이는, Hyundai/Kia가 공표하고 있던 원의 EPA치, 이번 정정된 EPA치, 그리고 우리가 측정한 실연비의 비교이다.


2011 Hyundai Elantra 1.8L Automatic 
Hyundai’s Original MPG: 33   45% highway, 55% city (EPA standard)
Hyundai’s Revised MPG: 32   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 31.43   65% highway, 35% city (686 miles)

2011 Hyundai Elantra 1.8L Manual        
Hyundai’s Original MPG: 33   45% highway, 55% city         
Hyundai’s Revised MPG: 32   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 32.18   50% highway, 50% city (273 miles)

2011 Kia Optima Hybrid 2.4L Automatic 2WD
Kia’s Original MPG: 37   45% highway, 55% city
Kia’s Revised MPG: 36   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 35.86   75% highway, 75% city (956 miles)

2012 Hyundai Accent 1.6L Automatic    
Hyundai’s Original MPG: 33   45% highway, 55% city         
Hyundai’s Revised MPG: 31   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 29.04   45% highway, 55% city (8,751 miles)

2012 Hyundai Azera 3.3L Automatic    
Hyundai’s Original MPG: 23   45% highway, 55% city
Hyundai’s Revised MPG: 23   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 18.61   35% highway, 65% city (410 miles)

2012 Hyundai Veloster 1.6L Manual        
Hyundai’s Original MPG: 32   45% highway, 55% city
Hyundai’s Revised MPG: 31   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 27.66   45% highway, 55% city (532 miles)

2012 Kia Rio 1.6L Automatic 2WD 
Kia’s Original MPG: 33   45% highway, 55% city
Kia’s Revised MPG: 31   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 28.62 (hatchback)    70% highway, 30% city (610 miles)
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 25.72 (sedan)    40% highway, 60% city (498 miles)

2012 Kia Sorento 2.4L Automatic 4WD 
Kia’s Original MPG: 23   45% highway, 55% city
Kia’s Revised MPG: 22   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 20.56   50% highway, 50% city (368 miles)

2012 Kia Soul 1.6L Automatic 2WD 
Kia’s Original MPG: 30   45% highway, 55% city
Kia’s Revised MPG: 27   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 24.84   55% highway, 45% city (526 miles)

2012 Kia Soul 2.0L Automatic 2WD 
Kia’s Original MPG: 29   45% highway, 55% city
Kia’s Revised MPG: 25   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 26.39   80% highway, 20% city (295 miles)

2013 Hyundai Elantra Coupe 1.8L Automatic    
Hyundai’s Original MPG: 32   45% highway, 55% city
Hyundai’s Revised MPG: 31   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 25.59   40% highway, 60% city (550 miles)

2013 Hyundai Elantra GT 1.8L Automatic    
Hyundai’s Original MPG: 32   45% highway, 55% city         
Hyundai’s Revised MPG: 30   45% highway, 55% city        
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 22.20   10% highway, 90% city (264 miles)

2013 Kia Rio 1.6L Manual 2WD 
Kia’s Original MPG: 34   45% highway, 55% city
Kia’s Revised MPG: 32   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 31.62   70% highway, 30% city (796 miles)

2013 Santa Fe Sport 2WD 2.0L T Automatic    
Hyundai’s Original MPG: 25   45% highway, 55% city
Hyundai’s Revised MPG: 23   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 22.21   70% highway, 30% city (866 miles)

2013 Hyundai Veloster 1.6L T Automatic    
Hyundai’s Original MPG: 29   45% highway, 55% city
Hyundai’s Revised MPG: 28   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 21.20   30% highway, 70% city (336 miles)

2013 Hyundai Veloster 1.6L T Manual        
Hyundai’s Original MPG: 30   45% highway, 55% city         
Hyundai’s Revised MPG: 28   45% highway, 55% city
Consumer Guide’s MPG: 24.77   40% highway, 60% city (383 miles)

 

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이번 EPA의 조치는, 아직도 미지근한 것 같습니다.

 

【간단한 통계】

Consumer Guide가 실제로 측정한 값과 EPA 공표치와의 차이

Hyundai/Kia (정정전) - 4.27 mpg

Hyundai/Kia (정정 후) - 2.62 mpg

Chevrolet - 1.13 mpg

FORD      + 0.23 mpg

HONDA   + 0.11 mpg

NISSAN   - 0.33 mpg

TOYOTA  - 0.40 mpg

 

 

증가 mizu-mashi

 

 

보지 않고 끝내 mizu-sumashi

 

 

무좀 mizu-mushi

 



TOTAL: 17988

番号 タイトル ライター 参照 推薦
17968
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2024年3月の米国自動車販売 (12) JAPAV57 04-04 426 3
17967
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英国TOP3をTOYOTA HVが独占 (8) JAPAV57 04-03 379 2
17966
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jap 自動車の現実 ca21Kimochi 04-03 154 2
17965
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韓国製バスが暴走 (13) JAPAV57 04-03 318 2
17964
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2月の欧州自動車販売でTOYOTA 2位 (7) JAPAV57 04-02 319 2
17963
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jap 自動車の現実 (3) ca21Kimochi 03-31 220 0
17962
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地味〜なドレスアップ.再びw (8) oozinn 03-29 513 0
17961
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【WCOTY2024】韓国車が3年連続で受賞....... (55) vcd234 03-28 592 0
17960
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日本自動車たちには道路の次善を維....... (3) koko13 03-28 280 0
17959
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jap 自動車の現実 (12) ca21Kimochi 03-28 254 0
17958
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米国で日本車の価格だけ上昇 (10) JAPAV57 03-27 388 1
17957
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2024年2月のインドネシア自動車販売 (9) JAPAV57 03-27 274 1
17956
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上男子はピンク自動車 avenger 03-22 206 0
17955
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いつのまにか世界 3位現代 w (12) ca21Kimochi 03-20 442 0
17954
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現代・キア もう黄色信号w げきちん 03-20 352 1
17953
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jap 自動車の現実 (57) ca21Kimochi 03-14 535 0
17952
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運転支援システム合格はLEXUSのみ (13) JAPAV57 03-14 466 2
17951
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jap 自動車の現実 (32) ca21Kimochi 03-11 456 0
17950
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TOYOTAがテスラ越え! (7) oozinn 03-11 528 2
17949
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EVが全く売れずFORDが大赤字に (9) JAPAV57 03-11 501 2